refiners fire
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qualified for adjudicatorhoodship
by refiners fire inbretheren, do not appoint over yourselves any lurker, one using multiple identities and seeking opportunity to rend the flesh of the sheep.
nor a person newly converted to the board, lest that one become overfull with pridefullness and become hitlerian in personality.. rather, choose from among yourselves such ones as are well versed in the doctrines of apostacy.learned ones.
select not those given to posting cruelties.
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change of position on DF'd persons?
by refiners fire inummm...question re my mothers status...she got dfd 3 months ago and expected to be shunned.
indeed, i told her she would be shunned.. but she reckons that everyone is being real nice, talking to her in the street, etc, has there been a change of policy?.
ive been out a long time and would have expected shunning.. shes starting to think of me as a false prophet.
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Classic WT "Governing Body" article
by refiners fire ini may start a series, "classic articles".. this article is from the watchtower of december 15, 1971. title: "a governing body as different from a legal corporation".
.."on friday morning,october 1,1971,the legal corporation known as watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania held its annual corporation meeting"..... fine, but here we go.. ..."at this meeting a question came up and was discussed from the platform.
it was as to what the relationship is between the board of directors of the society...and the governing body...are they the same, identical, or are they different?".....
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How to run an Organization: by the master.
by refiners fire ina few selected passages that caught my eye.
all quotes in capitals.. a doctrine must never be willing to share with another,it cannot be willing to collaborate with an existing order,which it condemns,it feels obligated to combat with the whole world of existing ideas with all possible means, that is, it must prepare its downfall.. the movement must be opposed to existing institutions.. the writer then speaks of manufacturing simple slogans which must be endlessly repeated so as to ignite the organizations followers to action.he says that,once something has been revealed as doctrine to the masses,it must never be altered or changed.
the word used is infallible..... since the programme of the movement is absolutely correct in its aims..with a doctrine it is less harmfull to retain a formulation,even if it should prove to, later,not correspond to reality, rather than improving it and expose a granite principle to discussion.for how shall we convince the people to have blind faith.
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happy memories of my father
by refiners fire insomething that happened with an ex dub friend of mine prompted this post.he finally wrote a letter to his elder father telling him how he really felt.i read the assorted corespondences.. in the letter to his father my friend mentioned that he could only remember 1 instance where father and son spent quality time together.. they spent an afternoon (1 afternoon)flying a kite down at the park.. that was the only pleasure incident he could remember with his dad.. i wept and wept reading that.
for it reminded me of my own dad.. i could barely remember any pleasure incidents either.. my father and i went on 3 camping trips, when i was a teenager.. we did that together.
all the rest of my memories were of him compelling me to do things i didnt want to do.. this causes me to wonder if this is a phenomena unique to the dubs.. no memory of quality time spent with your dad.
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I think Gods talking to me..at last.
by refiners fire inhi.. ive been experiencing some pretty weird phenomena recently.. it started about two months ago.. what happens is, i get dreams.
they are bad.so bad they wake me up.this is always like, 3am, 4am,then i get up.
after a while i start getting sensations with my hair standing on end and electric impulses running up and down my back, like mild electric shocks.
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An Adventist "Thought Adjustment"
by refiners fire inone of the most important early publishings in adventist history was the "word to the little flock", words uttered by ellen g white, soon to be prophetess of adventism,tract published by her husband and co leader,james white.. it is in this tract that "eg"(as i shall refer to her)first expounded the doctrine of the sabbath, a doctrine as important to adventists as the doctrine of the work is to the jws.. but at the end of this tract an incident is mentioned about which much conflict arose,an incident of interest to apostate adventists.. james white mentions it in his comments at the end of the tract.. it is the famous "solar system" vision of e g white.... what happened was that back at this early stage of adventism, there was only a little kernal of believers, and attending meetings was a man called bates.
bates was a sea captain, quite wealthy, highly respected,what a useful recruit he would be!.
eg knew that bates was obsessed with astronomy and to help bates along in his conversion god himself gave eg a vision of the solar system, flew her around the planets and she described her adventures, live, while in vision, for all to hear.
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Rutherford speaks.
by refiners fire injust in case you ever start to forget what he was.... watchtower.
june 15, 1922. article: "seventy years desolation".
subheading: "records falsified by kings".
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JW Revelation interpretation is nuts.
by refiners fire inthe witness interpretation of the book of revelation is the most ridiculous i have ever seen in a major religion.. sometimes i read revelation again, looking for it to come clear to my eyes,and i was reading it last night.
the dubs are lost.. example.
so much for the dubs on the 1918 ressurection.. verse 5:.
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When will a firebrand lead the Organization?
by refiners fire inits apparent that a number of people on this site have read eric hoffers "true believer" .did anyone find hoffers "3 monarchs" theory as spooky as i did?
( pages 130 thru 160 of the book).
hoffer says that a movement is founded by a "man of words".this man is a writer,highly regarded as such and is often a charismatic person.he is an intellectual who speaks out about the corruption of the established order.. sounds like pastor russell to me.. after this founder, the movement is taken over by a fanatic, (second ruler ).here is hoffers description of this man, on page 153:.